This could lead some people in the Commonwealth to believe that not all synths are bad. So, why abduct people if you do not need them to be able to create clones? It is known and feared for its ability to produce advanced synthetic humans (also known as synths) of high enough quality to pass as true humans. What’s the opposite of an Owl? The Fallout series has long established itself as one of gaming's powerhouse franchises, and alongside The Elder Scrolls, sits proudly as one of Bethesda's greatest accomplishments. It's pretty much the only reason why I can't support the Institute 100% as it seems to make literally no sense as to why they felt the need to do that. Fallout 4-76 transforms the Commonwealth into an open world with all areas unlocked and no human NPCs for a quest free land of scavenging opportunity. From the list found within the Institute, it can be seen that many key people have been replaced within the Commonwealth. In essence, the Railroad frees the synth body, but not the mind. The Institute is a faction in Fallout 4.They are concerned with the preservation of humanity via technology and are involved in the production of Synths which they use as their security force along with their deadly special ops coursers. Part 2 is harder, but Virgil points to the FEV used by the Institute as different than that seen in prior Fallout games: it can be created with a weakness for reverting individuals. Having a synth be aware of it’s status as a synth seems to be a major security risk, and so it seems likely that if data could be collected via synths without requiring any action on the part of the synth, then the Institute would potentially operate more in this way. Their use of gen 3 synths as slaves seems to be a major cause of their bad reputation among the player base. My thoughts go along the lines of yours, particularly during Human Error. Danse being an unaware synth (as well as Sturges, potentially) points towards the Institute using replaced humans as sleeper agents. Perhaps there has been a change in the method of original human disposal. For the location page of their base see The Institute (Location). It seems unlikely. The player has the option to become the leader of the Institute, and even doing so does not provide the player with more answers. There must be a separate group from the Institute working on this project post-Virgil as newer and more powerful Super Mutants continue to arrive post-Institute. . The Battle of Bunker Hill: Track down and recover escaped Synths. This is an ersatz INTEL network and when coupled with the spying cameras the Institute has in the Commonwealth, allows for the identification, tracking and dealing with rogues. Title. A group of dedicated individuals working together to ferry Synthetic Organics (“Synths”) out of the Commonwealth to freedom, they’re based on the Underground Railroad that existed in the real-world United States of America during the 1800’s. He was gunned down by Diamond City Security, who discovered that he was full of plastic and metal. It seems likely that Nick cannot be unique. I really wish this was addressed in the story, but nope. It is entirely possible that Sturges is himself unaware that he is a synth. However, Coursers are not famous for their diplomacy skills. So why is it that when the player encounters a replacement, they witness the human in the Commonwealth directly confronting their clone? Many old Fallout fans were unimpressed by the voiced protagonists, the few conversation options, the simplistic kill-and-loot quests, and lots of other things. Perhaps the synth survived, perhaps it did not. Face–Heel Turn: In Fallout 3, Dr. Li was opposed to even Elder Lyons' more benevolent methods. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Link to my Twitter: https://twitter.com/VinylicPuma Hey guys, so I've wanted to make a video discussing my thoughts on the Institute for a while now. The Institute seems to have no interest in recovering him, having wiped his memories of the Institute and set him free. This is what the remains of the CIT building (with The Institute underneath) look like if you destroy The Institute during the main quest. Come evening, he sat at the bar where Takahashi now sells his noodles, and ordered a drink. Mayor Mcdonough is a good example of this. Home › Forums › Fallout & Wasteland › Fallout 4 › I just finished Fallout 4 and I have questions about the Institute Discussion in ' Fallout 4 ' started by maximaz , Feb 23, 2018 . Anyone who blames the Institute for the "Attack" on Diamond City does not know or pay attention to the truth. There are tons of loose ends to Fallout 4, but the main theme appears to be one of human eradication and replacement with Synths by the Institute with only a small number of humans left to control the thing. The source of x-ray radiation within the machines seen in game may have been depleted due to the long period of time, but it seems likely that the greatest minds of the Commonwealth would have been able to come up with an alternative. However, in Fallout 4, you’re presented with two organizations that have responded to the evils of the post-nuclear world with brutality and deceit. Perhaps the game writers deliberately did not make the recreation of such machines canonical, as it would have made it too easy for the players to detect synths within the wastes. If an Institute synth really did massacre everyone on it’s own, it seems unlikely that it would have been a regular synth. I can only hope that in the future expansions the story is wrapped up a bit better than it has been so far. Did the Institute attend the meeting with the intention of killing everyone in attendance? Does this mean that the Railroad is providing more of an assisted suicide service for synths, rather than truly “freeing” them? Perhaps if the Institute could replace the majority of the people (as seen in The World’s End movie), they could facilitate a sort of peace in the wastelands. One or two vital commanders suddenly being taken out can turn the tide of an important fight, as the Hashisham demonstrated back in the day. Some see them as a workforce, while others are literally trying to create a better human. It can be useful for the player to clear out synths as in the event of synths attacking a settlement, synth settlers will join in with the attack on human settlers. At the first convening of the CPG, a synth institute attended. Despite all of my thinking on this, I really don’t know. I don't know if I missed a terminal or something, but I never got any clarification about it. Robert House attended it in his youth. You could argue that humans will never be as loyal to the institute as the synths are, but the existence of the railroad faction shows that (gen 3) synths' brainwashing doesn't always produce the most reliable results either. I think it's a combination of spying on/having influence in the above world. – Vic Harkness. As it is, there seems to be no way to know if he is aware of his status. *This post will contain spoilers for the storyline of Fallout 4* On a more serious level, I think the Institute is an interesting Deconstruction (see TV tropes) of the idea of an organization being evil and the heir to the sort of thing we've seen in Fallout before. They're just watching and waiting until the day it becomes safe again. A synth such as Nick however, is seen as helpful by the people of the Commonwealth, despite him quite obviously being a synth. See my prior comments on the raider leading synth. I really feel that if they hadn't been bodysnatching people, the Commonwealth might have been more receptive to their new scientist overlords. When his synth status is discovered, Elder Maxson orders that Danse be killed. It is unclear if the Institute is able to passively collect data off of such individuals, or if they simply sit in rest until they are needed by the Institute. In the town of Covenant, the SAFE Test (which appears to be a copy of the GOAT seen in Fallout 3) is employed as a method of synth detection. I would love to wander the Wasteland as The Silver Shroud, righting wrongs and handing out justice to the wrong-doers. Perhaps the copy is dispatched without the “mind” of their target, and they have some method of copying their memories/knowledge during the abduction/disposal? Danse himself requests that the player kill him, suggesting that he was completly unaware of his status. There are also cases where people have disappeared to never return, with the Institute being the lead suspect in the disappearance. The thing with all factions in Fallout 4 is that each of them has a morally grey area while maintaining that they are doing the right thing. Through continuing the main story-line, it can be discovered that Danse is actually a synth, and was not aware of this. I’ve been playing a lot of Fallout 4 recently, and there’s one glaring question that I find hasn’t been addressed: Why does the Institute replace people with synths? Is having him steer people away from investigating disappearances really of benefit though? Some have a clear purpose of acting as agents on the surface. It appears that the Institute does occasionally recruit scientists, but that's about it; they seem far more interested in being isolated from the rest of the world. The mayor is a synth. Seems kind of thin. Due to all accounts of the event being rumors and hearsay (I don’t suppose anyone took minutes during a massacre), it seems that this will remain an unanswered question. Did they want to be the Commonwealth’s only shot at civilization, being the only ones to form/run a government? Perhaps the Institute did want the Commonwealth to form a government, and they did simply sent a synth to observe the proceedings and potentially help shape them as needed. It seems that the copy would absolutely need to be able to take a copy somehow to be able to fit in in the original’s place. :(. Virgil didn't inject himself in hopes of transforming into a mutant; he thought he had a viable solution. Maybe low light and careful clothing allowed for him to pass as human? Perhaps part of the reason that the Institute wishes to recover such rogue synths but is happy to have Nick (and human-replacing synths) wandering the Commonwealth is because of their attitudes. Perhaps the Institute no longer actually abducts people since they stopped testing FEV, instead having the synth copies kill the originals/dispose of the bodies as they see fit. from the information gathered in the game synth are use for labor, guinea pig, maintenance, military, scavenging purpose, infiltration, and as waitress/shopkeeper. but gen 3 is more human like in this case they're used in many aspect in the institute. If they are caught by the Institute their memories are wiped, and they are returned to work. They do have plans for better farming (as seen at Warwick), but that isn’t going to do very much to bolster a population that, of necessity, must be manufactured (although Deacon does raise an issue of Synths having children who, perforce, cannot be Synths…another great DLC venue, really). To be creating full, biologically accurate copies of people, it seems that they would have to abduct people first to be able to create their copies. I elected to let the human shoot the synth. It seems odd to be so concerned about the body, when the existence/behavior of the synths prove that what is human is the mind. Or… given them any mission statement at all. If you notice from within the institute there's a wall of CRT TV's that shows various hidden cameras all over the wastelands. The BoS wants to save humanity, but they are fascistic and want to … The use of infrared in facial detection/recognition systems, The use of infrared in facial detection/recognition systems – Vic Harkness, The art of defeating facial detection systems: Part one: General concepts. [A Fallout Reddit thread; bad language alert] Author’s note: There’s no chance of changing The Institute and their apparent goal to replace humans instead of augmenting them. Surely he would have needed to wear some form of eye-wear to cover his glowing eyes, if he was a gen 2. A more interesting example perhaps is Paladin Danse, of the Brotherhood of Steel (BoS). Just let me use Ballistics Weave Mk.V on the costume and hat and I’m set. Generation 3 synths are indistinguishable from humans so they need food and living quarters just like humans. What is their objective?! True, Vertibirds were initially reverse engineered/rebuilt by the Enclave, whom are not present within the Commonwealth (that we know of, but there’s always room in expansions), and so most likely have not built anti-synth technologies. Perhaps synths like Nick are a form of “public relations” action being taken by the Institute? Are the timings of these events a co-incidence, or was Mr. Carter a prototype gen 3 created using Shaun’s DNA? Perhaps Mr. Carter malfunctioned for no real reason. The Railroad and the BoS have good goals but are misguided and over zealous. I’m still unsure how I feel about this. Your email address will not be published. Still, it seems the the BoS is technologically on a level with the Enclave in Fallout 4, and so it seems bizarre that they would not be able to get an x-ray machine to work. I could understand high ranking officials and stuff, but even then, they always talk about wanting as little to do with the wasteland as possible and they seem more than capable at securing whatever they need with their armed forces. With the presence of Nick valentine in the commonwealth after the CPG (you learn this through some dialog with him as you improve his affinity) it is unlikely that there were any gen 3 synths were in existence at the time of the massacre as Nice seems to have been a prototype for a cognitively enhanced synth project- a prelude to the gen 3. Somehow, his pure DNA was able to be used to create more perfect gen 3 synths. It can be assumed that the Institute either made an error in the timings of releasing the copy (i.e. Funny thing is, the whole plot (synths, the Institute, the Railroad, the Synth Retention Bureau, etc.) Problem with space junk: what is the Institute for the `` Attack '' on City! 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